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Ernst
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posted 04-06-2007 04:14 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eroller:
Another thing that surprises me is that rocks could do such damage when the ship was hardly moving.

They are indeed delicate. Ships are VERY heavy - even when they are slow they contain a lot of kinetic energy - you can deform a lot of steel with that.


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timb
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posted 04-06-2007 04:15 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ernie,

Think of it this way. A cruise ship weighs a lot and if all that
weight is concentrated on a small point (a rock) it will pierce it
like a can opener. On a much smaller scale having been around
sailboats most of my life you ought to see the damage a stileto high
heel on a 120 lb woman can do to a teak deck

Tim


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Linerdan
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posted 04-06-2007 06:05 PM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just wondering with the vessel upside down (before it slides further down the crater) would divers take pictures of the rock damage on th ehull as it would be interesting to see what sort of gash she had.
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mike sa
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posted 04-07-2007 12:50 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam

International Maritime Law states that ALL watertight doors must be closed when in reduced visability, restricted waters and when leaving or entering port, an exception can be applied for for an individual door in for instance a passanger area, however more recently built ships are not allowed to have pax areas in any place a watertight door would be as they are in themselves very dangerous, many a dead crew member trying to squeeze through when they were closing have found this to their cost. So pax areas are all above the watertight door areas.

The last ship I worked on with doors in pax areas was the Sea Princess (Mona Lisa) and although they applied for a permit for the 1 door to remain open it was refused.

I believe QE 2 has a couple but would not have thought a ship as new as Sea Diamond would have any doors in pax areas.


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Cunard Fan
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posted 04-07-2007 02:03 AM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dont't the Voyager and Freedom class have water tight doors in Public spaces like the Royal Prominade though?
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Ernst
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posted 04-07-2007 03:23 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
Dont't the Voyager and Freedom class have water tight doors in Public spaces like the Royal Prominade though?

No - the Royal Promenade is even above the main deck.
Don't confuse fire doors with bulkheads.
Modern ships harldy have spaces - not to talk about accomodations - accessible for passengers below the bulkhead deck.
Ferries are nevertheless an exception - also more recently built vessels have passenger accomodations pretty low in the hull - and Birka Princess - although built for short cruises - was still a RoRo ship.


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Tom Burke
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posted 04-07-2007 03:49 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'Watertight Doors':

I think I'd welcome some clarification, please. I'm getting a feeling that the 'watertight doors' referred to in this thread occur only below the waterline - is that correct? And that these are supposed to be closed at certain times?

And following on from that, presumably the large, massive doors that I've seen along the corridors on the passenger deck levels of the ships I've been on, are not 'watertight doors' in the meaning of this discussion? Certainly these doors were always open whenever I saw them. They seemed to have special recesses into which they were, umm, recessed when open. What's the nature of these doors? (Ships would be Sinfonia, Galaxy, Norwegian Jewel, i.e. recent ships.)


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santa naria
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posted 04-07-2007 03:56 AM      Profile for santa naria   Email santa naria   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the qe2 has watertight doors in pax areas 4 and five deck.the aft and forward ones are closed when ship is entering or leaving port or in foggy conditions.pax cabins within these compartments of watertight doors have i staircase going up to the next deck.the staircase itself is closed within two fire doors-doors are labelled with escape signs..watertight doors are closed from the bridge automaticlly and then the crew deck go down a check if the doors are closed personally.in the control room there is a panel where you can see if the watertightdoors are closed or not.its has happened light goes on-indicating watertights doors are open-when checked doors were closed.any crew member caught opening a watertight is fired.not sure what would happen if a pax does that.watertight door into the engine room is always closed whatever happens.when ship is at sea every morning at 10h30 doors are tested and closed.this is not done from bridge but ever door is closed manually on the spot.on 7 deck that is the stores area-no acess to pax-doors are always closed.
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santa naria
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posted 04-07-2007 04:05 AM      Profile for santa naria   Email santa naria   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
tom burke-watertight doors are fixed on decks below the waterline and normally on one deck above waterline.those massive doors you see above that in corridors and public a areas are called fire doors-only closed when theres a fire on board.the main ships stairwels are witnin these fire doors so when closed in the case of fire you have acess to one which takes you to boat deck you dont have to open these doors.
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mike sa
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posted 04-07-2007 04:32 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Tom

Watertight doors are below and just above sea level, so where a deck for instance does have portholes but it is only just above sea level it would have these doors, they are hydrolically powered and although they can be operated locally they are normally operated from the bridge or in an emergency the engine control room, as they close the operate a small bell with a flick that rings it as a warning and flashes an orange strobe light, they cannot be stopped by jamming a table or something similar, your arm or leg would simply be cut off they are so powerful, because they are hydrolic they are not dependent on electrical power, if you opened one an alarm would ring on the bridge.

The doors you see in public areas either lay flat against the bulkheads so they are almost hidden or recess into the "wall" often with a small flap to hide it - these are firedoors and again are operated either locally by using a small switch on the adjacent bulkhead or from the bridge or engine control room. They are self closing but held open by an electro magnet, hitting a button on the bridge releases them all right across the ship seperating it into seperate vertical fire zones. These do not have to be closed when coming into port etc and would not hold or control flooding etc. You might see these on embarkation closing off the cabin areas as the cabins are not yet ready for occupation. Both systems are tested regularly.


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Brian_O
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posted 04-07-2007 05:21 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by santa naria:
the qe2 has watertight doors in pax areas 4 and five deck.the aft and forward ones are closed when ship is entering or leaving port or in foggy conditions.

QE2 does not have watertight doors on 4 Deck. Unless new watertight doors have been added in recent years, the watertight doors only extend up to 5 Deck*.

Brian

*For those not familiar with QE2, the numbered decks are numbered from top to bottom rather than from bottom to top as in a building.


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Panos
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posted 04-07-2007 08:09 PM      Profile for Panos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Going back to the subject. A specialist appeared tonight on a Greek TV channel said that the watertight doors were closed (complying with legislation) however it seems that the ships hull was damaged in more than one places. I am not sure if he was just speculating or knew something that we don't know, he added that despite the fact that the doors were closed, water kept filling the ship with a smaller rate through the night and engine rooms No 2 and 3 were flooded by morning.
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mike sa
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posted 04-08-2007 04:52 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
5 officers have been arrested and charged after the Captain admitted negligence, the 5 included the Chief Cabin Steward and Housekeeper, how these 2 are involved in grounding the ship goodness knows - all I can think is that they either instructed the watertight doors opened or in some failed to carry out their jobs or emergency duties during the evacuation.

One thing is for sure the authorities are going to be all over Louis' training programmes, how they are monitored, safety records etc to asertain whether they are responsible for failing to train or monitor performance or allowed bad habits to become established etc.

Obviously if these 5 chaps are found guilty they deserve to be punished as poeple died and others traumatised but I do feel for them, it was evidentally the Captains first voyage as full Captain.

[ 04-10-2007: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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santa naria
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posted 04-08-2007 05:25 AM      Profile for santa naria   Email santa naria   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
brian o-my mistake about 4 deck.
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recab
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posted 04-08-2007 05:29 AM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

Birka Princess - although built for short cruises - was still a RoRo ship.

Birka Princess was not a ro-ro vessel.


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Ernst
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posted 04-08-2007 05:47 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by recab:

Birka Princess was not a ro-ro vessel.


But she had a (small) garage and a ramp for cars? Or not?


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posted 04-08-2007 06:00 AM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

But she had a (small) garage and a ramp for cars? Or not?


Yes, she did have a garage for passengers who did not want to leave their cars ashore. Access was through a side port. I have had my car parked onboard many times.


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posted 04-08-2007 07:07 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

But she had a (small) garage and a ramp for cars? Or not?


That still does not mean that it was a Ro-Ro ship.

According to Bill Mayes' book 'Cruise Ships', it was a garage for about 20 cars, but it was removed during het major refit in 1998.

Willem


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Captain and five officers of sunken Greek cruise ship charged with negligence

Two French passengers were missing Saturday and an official in the prosecutor's office told CNN charges against the captain and crew could be upgraded if they are declared dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/04/07/greece.cruiseship/index.html

More Rescue Videos with interior and lifeboat footage(in Spanish)...

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posted 04-10-2007 07:58 AM      Profile for geno-er   Email geno-er   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One thing I don't understand. If she was coming into port, isn't there supposed to be apilot onboard? I have heard nothing about this????
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Ernst
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quote:
Originally posted by geno-er:
One thing I don't understand. If she was coming into port, isn't there supposed to be apilot onboard? I have heard nothing about this????

Mind you that there is no port in Santorini for ships of this size - she would have berthed at ta pier. Also, she called there pretty often - could be that the captain had a pilot license. (like on ferries)


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An Eye Witness Account
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Michael Hipler


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I don't think pilots are required at Fira? Many vessels just keep bobbing about on the water with the smaller ones using a few mooring bouys. There mooring bouys are very close to the rock faces and any small error made could lead to this situation, with perhaps no time for corrective action, with winds/currents.

It seems from Michael's report that she was already past the point of no return and going down before they even started to tow her off, regardless of reports that she had stabilised.

Here is a report from one chap who did descend a Jacob's ladder. There are so many conflicting stories around from passengers let's hope the bridge recorder can reveal what actually happened. I am wondering why it wasn't possible to take this off before she sunk? Accusations about the crew have been made, typical, yet other reports say how brilliant and helpful they were. It must be hard for those crew who did all they could to assist passengers to then be slammed by the press.

Pam


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quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

It seems from Michael's report that she was already past the point of no return and going down before they even started to tow her off, regardless of reports that she had stabilised.

Here is a report from one chap who did descend a Jacob's ladder. There are so many conflicting stories around from passengers let's hope the bridge recorder can reveal what actually happened. I am wondering why it wasn't possible to take this off before she sunk? Accusations about the crew have been made, typical, yet other reports say how brilliant and helpful they were. It must be hard for those crew who did all they could to assist passengers to then be slammed by the press.

Pam


Pam

I am not surprised by the conflicting stories. Just have a look on Tripadvisor about any hotel anywere in the world. Some customers give 5 Stars while others give 1 promising that they will never ever go to that hotel again.

On the news today,

Louis Heartquarters (Chief Captain) were informed about the incident almost immediately and told the Captain to move the Sea Diamond as close to the island as possible (mentions a place where the depth is 40m). The company also told the Local Port Authority about the decision. However, irrespective of this, the Authority did not authorise this move and decided to move the ship where it meant to be her final home.

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quote:
Originally posted by Panos:
[QB]
Louis Heartquarters (Chief Captain) were informed about the incident almost immediately and told the Captain to move the Sea Diamond as close to the island as possible (mentions a place where the depth is 40m). The company also told the Local Port Authority about the decision. However, irrespective of this, the Authority did not authorise this move and decided to move the ship where it meant to be her final home.QB]

Everybody does what is best for them.


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